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As of Sep 22, 2026: fair value of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd ¥7.03, price ¥13.99, upside -49.8%, quality 36 out of 100. Calculated from audited financials with 26 valuation models and 37 quality factors, updated daily.

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Basic Materials · CN · ISIN CNE100001D13

SK Broad data Sep 24, 2026

Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd

002669 · SHE

Weakest SetupStrongly overvalued and low quality.

!Fair value ¥7.03 · Strongly overvalued (−50%)
!Quality 36/100
!Expensive Growth (revenue 5y +22.1 %/yr)
!Thin margins · 2.3% net margin (TTM)
!Low debt · negative free cash flow
·0.71% dividend yield
!Trails peers (2/13)
!Narrow moat 26/100
!Weak on past: 16 out of 100
!Weak on dividend: 14 out of 100
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Price vs Fair Value

¥20.66 ¥7.07 Fair Value ¥7.03 Apr 2021 Sep 2026

White line = price, green steps = our fair value per fiscal year, dashed = 300-day average. As of Sep 24, 2026.

How to read this chart

60‑month range ¥7.07 – ¥20.66 · fair‑value band ¥6.52 – ¥8.79 · the ¥13.99 price screens above the ¥7.03 fair value. Green steps = our fair value per fiscal year (point-in-time, no hindsight). Dashed = 300-day average. As of Sep 24, 2026.

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Company profile

Kangda New Materials (Group) Co., Ltd. engages in the research and development, production, and sale of structural adhesives in the People's Republic of China. The company operates through adhesives and special resin new materials, electronic information materials and electronic technology segments.

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Kangda New Materials (Group) Co., Ltd. engages in the research and development, production, and sale of structural adhesives in the People's Republic of China. The company operates through adhesives and special resin new materials, electronic information materials and electronic technology segments. The company offers modified acrylate adhesive, organic silica gel, epoxy resin, polyurethane, acrylate, SBS, PUR hot melt, water-based, and other adhesive products. Its products are used in wind power generation, soft packaging composite, rail transportation, aerospace, marine engineering, photovoltaic solar energy, rubber and plastic products, construction engineering, household electronic appliances, auto parts, motors, elevators, mining equipment, industrial maintenance, and other fields. The company was formerly known as Shanghai Kangda New Materials Group Co., Ltd. and changed its name to Kangda New Materials (Group) Co., Ltd. in July 2021. Kangda New Materials (Group) Co., Ltd. was founded in 1988 and is based in Shanghai, China.

Stock analysis

Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669) currently trades at ¥13.99, while our model-based Fair Value estimate is ¥7.03, implying the stock looks roughly 99.0% overvalued today.

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Valuation

Bull case: the Growth Earnings group reads highest at a median of ¥11.42 per share, and 2 of the 16 models we run sit above the ¥13.99 price.

Bear case: the Dividend Discount group reads lowest at ¥3.03, and 14 of the 16 models stay below the price. Evidence for this calculation is high.

Scenario range: ¥6.52 (bear) to ¥8.79 (bull), the price of ¥13.99 sits above it. Bear and bull are the same models on cautious and optimistic assumptions, a range, not a price target.

Quality & growth

The Quality Score stands at 36/100 (below-average quality), in the Basic Materials sector.

Expensive Growth: The company is growing, but growth may require heavy reinvestment or weak cash conversion.

Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd reported revenue of 5.2B CNY in FY2025 versus 2.3B CNY in FY2021, a compound +23.2%/yr. Reported net income was 125M CNY in FY2025, compounding +54.5%/yr from FY2021.

Key figures

Market cap 5.2B CNY (≈ $775M) · P/E ratio 32.5 · P/S ratio 0.78 · EPS (TTM) ¥0.4300 · Dividend yield 0.7% · Net margin 2.4% · Return on equity 4.0% · Return on assets (EBIT) 0.1%.

Competitive moat

Our AI-assisted moat analysis scores the competitive advantage at 32 out of 100 (medium confidence).

What moves the price

The share trades about 27% below its 52-week high and 35% above its 52-week low, currently above its 200-day average.

For context, the median of 10 Basic Materials peers we cover trades at −40% fair-value upside, at −50%, 002669 screens richer than that median.

Fair Value models

Bear ¥6.52 Fair Value ¥7.03 Bull ¥8.79
Model Each model values the company its own way (discounted cash flow, earnings, assets, dividends). The fair value above is their evidence-weighted blend, not the output of a single model. Based on fiscal year 2025 figures (about 9 months old). Earnings retained since then (¥0.2414 per share) are deliberately not added. Bear Bear = the cautious scenario: the same model computed with conservative anchors (lower growth, margins and valuation multiples). Together with Bull it frames a plausible valuation range, not a price target.BaseBull Bull = the optimistic scenario: the same model computed with favourable anchors (higher growth, margins and valuation multiples). Together with Bear it frames a plausible valuation range, not a price target. Evidence Evidence = how well-backed THIS model's estimate is for this stock (0–100): how complete and reliable its input data are, and how well the model fits the company. The final Fair Value is an evidence-weighted blend, so better-evidenced models count more. Green ≥70, amber 50–69, grey below 50.
Highest evidence
Residual Income ¥6.62 ¥6.54 ¥5.69 76
EPV ¥6.76 ¥7.73 ¥8.54 74
ROIC Compounder ¥6.76 ¥7.73 ¥8.54 72
All 16 models by family
Earnings-Based
Graham-Dodd ¥2.81 ¥19.61 ¥27.51 63
Lynch FV ¥6.58 ¥9.40 ¥12.22 61
PEG = 1.0 ¥6.58 ¥9.40 ¥12.22 57
EPV ¥6.76 ¥7.73 ¥8.54 74
Dividend Discount
Gordon GGM ¥1.84 ¥3.32 ¥4.56 68
DDM Multi-Stage ¥1.84 ¥3.03 ¥3.54 67
Multiples
P/E Multiple ¥5.27 ¥7.03 ¥8.79 63
P/S Multiple ¥5.27 ¥7.03 ¥8.79 58
P/B Multiple ¥5.27 ¥7.03 ¥8.79 55
EV/EBIT ¥10.03 ¥13.49 ¥16.95 66
EV/EBITDA ¥11.83 ¥15.89 ¥19.96 67
EV/Revenue ¥8.64 ¥12.50 ¥16.36 53
Asset-Based
NCAV (Graham) ¥4.63 ¥6.21 ¥9.26 54
Economic Profit
Residual Income ¥6.62 ¥6.54 ¥5.69 76
ROIC Compounder ¥6.76 ¥7.73 ¥8.54 72
Growth Earnings
Growth-Adj P/E ¥7.99 ¥11.42 ¥14.85 67

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Quality Score breakdown

Overall quality 36/100

Of which business quality 34 · Market factors (momentum, volatility) 32

Profitability 25
Margins and returns on capital today
Quality Growth 66
Are margins and returns improving?
Cashflow 0
Earnings quality: real cash, not paper profit
Fin. Strength 32
Balance sheet, leverage, solvency risk
Investment 58
Disciplined investing over empire-building
Low Volatility 39
Calm price path (market factor)
Momentum 24
Price trend over the last 3–12 months (market factor)
52W Momentum 36
Distance to the 52-week high (market factor)
Net Issuance 53
Share count: buybacks or dilution?

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Revenue & earnings trend

Growth Quality Growth is valuable only when reinvestment earns attractive returns (Aswath Damodaran): sustainable growth depends on return on capital, reinvestment and efficiency. Basis: total company revenue over the periods shown on the cards (3Y/5Y/all years), not per share, so a merger can show up as a growth jump; per-share earnings growth is in the value-creation card. 58/100
The company is growing, but growth may require heavy reinvestment or weak cash conversion.
Revenue growth 1 year
+68.9%
Revenue growth 3 years Measures the company's TOTAL revenue from reported annual statements: compound average growth per year (CAGR) from the fiscal year 3, 5 or N years back to the most recent comparable fiscal year. Not per share: buybacks do not change this number, and a merger can appear as a growth jump. Per-share growth (which does include buybacks) is in the value-creation card.
+28.5%
Revenue growth 5 years Measures the company's TOTAL revenue from reported annual statements: compound average growth per year (CAGR) from the fiscal year 3, 5 or N years back to the most recent comparable fiscal year. Not per share: buybacks do not change this number, and a merger can appear as a growth jump. Per-share growth (which does include buybacks) is in the value-creation card.
+22.1%
Start year 2020 (pandemic). Over 10 years: +21.8% a year
Revenue growth 17 years Measures the company's TOTAL revenue from reported annual statements: compound average growth per year (CAGR) from the fiscal year 3, 5 or N years back to the most recent comparable fiscal year. Not per share: buybacks do not change this number, and a merger can appear as a growth jump. Per-share growth (which does include buybacks) is in the value-creation card.
+23.0%
What shareholders gained per year (last 5 years) What the business itself delivers per year: earnings growth per share plus the dividend yield. This is what you get IF the market keeps valuing the stock the same way: it contains no assumption about the market changing its mind. Computed per share, so buybacks count and a merger does not pass as growth. For a company that pays no dividend it is pure earnings growth per share. Period: earnings growth per share as CAGR over the last 5 reported fiscal years (annual statements), plus the current dividend yield. The start value is the median of the three years around the start, so a single crisis year (a pandemic or a write-down) does not distort the rate. Basis: EBIT basis.
≈ +10.2%
Earnings growth per share plus dividend.
Earnings per share, growth per year+9.5%
Dividend (yield on the price)0.7%
Pace: 5 vs 10 years Two data points, not a trend model: earnings growth per share over the last 5 fiscal years against the last 10. Labelled "steady" when both rates are within 3 percentage points of each other, otherwise picking up or flattening. Shown only when ten years of history exist.−6% vs 0%, slowing
Profit margin 2020 to 2025 Operating margin then vs now, from reported annual statements. A falling margin after a boom year is the classic peak-earnings signal: the growth rate then leans on an inflated base.14% → 6%
Start year 2020 (pandemic)
⚠ Rate on operating basis: 2025 sits 197% above its own trend.

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Peer GroupHow this stock ranks against its industry: the green marker is this stock, the band is the typical 25–75% peer range, and the tick is the median.Specialty Chemicals · 714 stocks

Beats the industry median on 2/13 measures
Overall it trails its industry peers.
Valuation
Quality Score 36 · Bottom 25%
Fair Value upside −50% · Below median
Profitability
Return on equity (TTM) 4% · Below median
Return on assets 1% · Below median
Net margin (TTM) 2% · Below median
Operating margin (TTM) 5% · Below median
Growth and dividend
Revenue growth 32% · Top 25%
Dividend yield (TTM) 0.7% · Below median
Balance sheet
Debt / equity 0.30× · Above median

Valuation Multiplesvs Specialty Chemicals median · lower = cheaper

P/E (TTM) 32.5× · Pricier than median
P/B 1.85× · Pricier than median
P/S (TTM) 0.94× · Cheaper than median
EV/EBITDA 14.2× · Pricier than median

Strength profile in five axes (Snowflake)

VALUEFUTUREPASTHEALTHDIVIDEND
This stock
VALUEFUTUREPASTHEALTHDIVIDEND
Sector peers
VALUE (fair-value potential)0 · sector 0
FUTURE (revenue growth)100 · sector 21
PAST (return on equity)16 · sector 23
HEALTH (low debt)85 · sector 95
DIVIDEND (yield)14 · sector 29

VALUE 0: the price sits above our fair-value range.

Context: sector, industry, market

Values & ESG

Does this company touch areas you may want to avoid? The classification is inferred from sector and industry.

None of the checked exposures detected

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Frequently asked questions

Is Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669) overvalued or undervalued?
As of Sep 24, 2026, our model estimates a fair value of ¥7.03 versus a price of ¥13.99, about −50% upside (overvalued).
What is the fair value of 002669?
Our model-based fair value for Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is ¥7.03 (as of Sep 24, 2026), built from audited fundamentals. The current price: ¥13.99.
What is the quality score of 002669?
Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd has a Quality Score of 36/100. It measures business quality (profitability, growth, cash flow, balance-sheet strength, investment discipline, share issuance). Market factors such as price momentum and volatility do not enter the number; they are shown separately in the detail view.
What is the price target for Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Our model-based price target is the fair value of ¥7.03 (as of Sep 24, 2026) from 16 valuation models. Cautious scenario ¥6.52, optimistic scenario ¥8.79. It is a calculation from audited fundamentals, not an analyst target.
What is the Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd stock forecast for 2026?
Our models put fair value at ¥7.03, about −50% upside versus a price of ¥13.99 (overvalued). Cautious scenario ¥6.52, optimistic scenario ¥8.79. The calculation is refreshed regularly with new filings.
What is the revenue of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd reported trailing-twelve-month revenue of about 5.5B CNY (latest available figure, as of Sep 24, 2026).
Does Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd pay a dividend?
Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd currently shows a dividend yield of about 0.71% relative to its recent price (as of Sep 24, 2026).
What is the intrinsic value of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Intrinsic value and fair value mean the same thing: what the business is worth on its numbers, independent of the share price. For Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd it is ¥7.03 per share (as of Sep 24, 2026), against a price of ¥13.99. It is the blended result of 16 valuation models (cash flow, earnings, asset, dividend).
Is Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd stock overvalued or undervalued in 2026?
As of Sep 24, 2026, 002669 trades above its calculated fair value: price ¥13.99, fair value ¥7.03, a gap of about −50% (overvalued). The calculation is refreshed with each new quarterly report, so the verdict can change during the year.
Is fair value the same as the market price of 002669?
No. The price is what the market pays today (¥13.99); the fair value is what the company's own numbers justify (¥7.03). For Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd the two are ¥6.96 per share apart. That gap is exactly why we show both numbers side by side.
How much is Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd worth?
The market values Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd at about 5.2B CNY (market capitalisation, as of Sep 24, 2026). Per share that is ¥13.99; our models calculate a fair value of ¥7.03 per share.
What do the bullish and bearish scenarios say about 002669?
Our models span a range for Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd: cautious scenario ¥6.52, base ¥7.03, optimistic ¥8.79 per share (as of Sep 24, 2026, price ¥13.99). The range comes from different growth and margin assumptions, not from analyst opinions.
What is the P/E ratio of 002669?
Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd trades at a price-to-earnings ratio of 32.5 (as of Sep 24, 2026). A P/E on its own says little: it compares the price with ONE year of profit, while our fair value of ¥7.03 is built from several models across several years. Other multiples: P/B 1.9, P/S 0.9, EV/EBITDA 14.2.
How solid is the balance sheet of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Balance-sheet figures for Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (as of Sep 24, 2026): return on equity 4.0%, debt of 0.30 per unit of equity. They feed the Quality Score of 36/100, which measures business quality independently of the share price.
How far is 002669 from its 52-week high?
Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd trades at ¥13.99, about 27% below its 52-week high of ¥19.13 and 35% above the low of ¥10.40 (as of Sep 22, 2026). Distance from the high says nothing about value: that is what the fair value of ¥7.03 is for.
Which stocks are comparable to Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd?
From the same area (Basic Materials) we also value Linde plc, The Sherwin-Williams Company, Ecolab Inc, Air Products and Chemicals, Inc, among others. Each of them has its own fair-value calculation on this site using the same models, so the comparison is like for like.
Is Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd stock attractive at the current price?
The data as of Sep 24, 2026: price ¥13.99, calculated fair value ¥7.03 (−50%), Quality Score 36/100, from 16 models. Whether that fits your horizon and risk tolerance is your call. We provide the calculation, not investment advice.
How is the fair value of 002669 calculated?
We run Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd through 16 models from four families: discounted cash flow, earnings models, asset and balance-sheet models, and dividend models. Every model gets the same audited fundamentals; the result is the weighted average of ¥7.03, with the spread shown as a cautious and an optimistic scenario.
Is it still worth investing in stocks now?
The global stock market currently sits 14.1 % above its aggregate fair value. Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd itself currently trades above fair value. An expensive market is no reason to stay out and no reason to buy everything at once: keep a broad savings plan running, buy single stocks only with money you can do without, and hold part of your money liquid while the market is high. The full picture including sectors is on is it worth investing now.
What is the share price of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The closing price on Sep 22, 2026 was ¥13.99. Our model-based fair value is ¥7.03, about −50% upside (overvalued). We carry closing prices from our data provider, not a live tick.
What should I pay attention to with Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd right now?
The price sits above even our optimistic bull case (¥8.79). The favourable scenario is already priced in. Weak quality (36/100) and above fair value at the same time, the margin of safety is missing on both counts.

Key figures of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd

How large is the market capitalisation of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The market capitalisation of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 5.2B CNY (≈ $775M). The stock-market value of the whole company: share price times number of shares. It is what the market asks for the entire business today.
What is the P/S ratio of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The price-to-sales ratio of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 0.78 (P/E × margin). Price to sales: market value relative to yearly revenue. Useful when profit is thin or distorted.
What are the earnings per share of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Earnings per share at Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd are ¥0.4300 (price ÷ EPS = P/E 32.5). Earnings per share over the last twelve months: total profit spread across every single share.
What is the dividend yield of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The dividend yield of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 0.7% (payout 23.3%). Yearly dividend relative to the share price. 3% pays 3 per 100 invested. Below: how much of profit is used for it.
What is the net margin of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The net margin of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 2.4% (fiscal year 2025). How much of every unit of revenue ends up as profit. 10% means 10 cents of profit per dollar of sales.
What is the return on equity of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The return on equity (ROE) of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 4.0% (last twelve months). Profit relative to shareholders' equity, how efficiently the company works with its owners' money.
What is the EBIT return on assets of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
On an EBIT basis the return on assets of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 0.1% (avg 5y). Operating profit (EBIT) relative to everything the company owns, as a multi-year average. It describes the business model rather than one good or bad year.
What is the operating margin of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
The operating margin of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 4.6% (last twelve months). Profit from the core business (before interest and taxes) relative to revenue.
How fast is revenue growing at Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Revenue at Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is growing +31.8% versus a year earlier (3y avg +28.5%). How much revenue grew versus a year earlier (YoY). The 3-year average next to it puts the single year in context.
How fast are earnings growing at Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669)?
Earnings per share at Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd are growing +9.5% versus a year earlier. How much earnings per share grew versus a year earlier.
How much free cash flow does Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669) generate?
The free cash flow of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is −1.6B CNY (fiscal year 2025). The cash truly left after running and investing in the business, this is what pays dividends and buybacks.
How much net debt does Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd (002669) carry?
The net debt of Shanghai Kangda New Materials Co Ltd is 1.8B CNY (fiscal year 2025). Debt minus cash on hand. The note shows how many years of free cash flow could in theory pay it off.
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